Ying: Could we say this is an emotion? It seems to me this arises from beyond the mind…
David: Such a tantalizing concept that one could have no possible way of knowing.
Is it so hard to believe that the mind is that encompassing?
Ying: Of course, the mind is very encompassing, but not in the context I was using it. Here, I only meant thought and emotion, and emotion arising from thought or unconscious conditioning. To me, that doesn’t encompass the arising of inner peace or calm from a space of “no-thought”, though, if it does for you please let me in on how.
David: I’m sure your training with Master Raven will eventually cover such esoterics. However, I reached it through trance, more precisely lucid dreaming.
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I floated in an amniotic void. There were no directions and everything was solid black. I could see myself, my body, suspended in nothingness. Of note, a pervading silence made all experiences of what I had until that point called no-mind seem like white noise turned to full volume. To my side appeared a 4 inch tv screen in which an ongoing dream was being presented. To look at the screen was to hear the contents; to look away made all fall silent. I eventually entered into the dream, but the void has intrigued me since. In that place I still am, have never left, and will return when I die.
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The above example is working with firewalls, but it can be done on a global level within one’s self. Good luck remembering it though.
To speak in terms we’ve exchanged before, you simply change the seat of identity (perception) from the wave to the ocean. Doing so doesn’t let you know everything as one might speculate. It takes you into a place where all memory, time, and space disappear.
There are many degrees. Go even deeper and even the experience of awareness dissipates. Some examples at various stages: If Ying is a picture projected on a silver screen, who or what is the silver screen? Ying is. Martial artists can experience a certain state during a fight; and, it is still their mind (albeit totally silent yet uberfunctional) that can beat you or get beaten. Experienced drivers with sleep deprivation will drive home and not remember how they got there, yet their car is in the driveway. While this technically constitutes a memory problem, also consider that your current question of how you are not the no-thought calm is one also. Have you ever experienced being knocked out? It feels like that, without the pain, when you come back. (unplugged) While not a suggestable goal, it is what it is.
All of these states are created by the mind, just as you are finding out a cluttered, shallow thinking mind is also. The only difference is how well you can identify what you are experiencing as a product of yourself.

Ying: I see O.O
Am I right to say your pointing to the t.v screen to be who I am truly, if the conceptual self of me is held by the t.v screen?
If it is, I see what you are saying entirely. I am reluctant to use another reference to Tolle’s teaching, but its the same as what he refers to when he uses the analogy of a projector screen to point to our true selves beyond form. I’ll see if I can find the video…
Here it is: Eckhart appears and talks at around 11 minutes in.
David: Yes, I think you do. I will go farther for clarity:
They are both you. It’s just a matter of where you reside, where you are looking, and which one you identify with as self. Tolle is right in “I am”. Most people are trapped inside an image being projected on a screen. They spend their whole lives looking for something outside the screen by looking far and wide within it. Others attempt to step out. They think they reside in “I am” but dependence on the focus of I-amness is indicative that they have not. And then there are those that make it, get bored, and choose to return as “bodhisattvas”. I am well aware that I exist beyond the veil – and choose to temporarily reside in this form as much as possible because its impermanence makes it special. Thus, the journey of the tarot both begins and ends with the fool.
Source: forceacademy.co.uk
0- THE FOOL
Know naught!
All ways are lawful to innocence.
Pure folly is the key to initiation.
Silence breaks into rapture.
Be neither man nor woman, but both in one.
Be silent, babe in the egg of blue, that thou mayest grow to bear the lance and graal!
Wander alone, and sing! In the Kings Palace his daughter awaits thee.
Book of Thoth, Aleister Crowley



